July 17, 2014
Malaysian Airlines 777 and Two Su-22 Jets Downed Over Ukraine
A Malaysia Airlines passenger jet crashed in eastern Ukraine on Thursday, prompting a Ukrainian official to say that the flight carrying 295 people had been shot down.This after two Ukrainian Su-22 jets were downed yesterday.
The Boeing 777 was "shot down" by "terrorists" operating a Buk surface-to-air missile system, according to a Facebook post from Anton Gerashchenko, adviser to the Ukrainian Interior Ministry.
The plane went down near the town on Torez in the Donetsk region of eastern Ukraine, according to the post, as it flew at about 10,000 meters (32,000 feet).
"We do not exclude that the plane was shot down and confirm that the Ukraine Armed Forces did not fire at any targets in the sky," Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko said, according to his website.
Andriy Lysenko, spokesman for the Ukrainian National Security and Defence Council, said an Su-25 ground attack plane was downed on Wednesday evening.Russia as denied any involvement, but a deleted post by a pro-Russian rebel on the Russian language social network VK appears to claim to have downed the larger jet.
Russia's defence ministry called the accusation "absurd", Russian state media reported.
Rebels in eastern Ukraine say they shot down two Su-25 jets on Wednesday.
Ukraine also alleges rockets were fired at its forces from Russian territory.
17.07.2014 17:50 (MSK) Message from the militia. "In the area Torrez just downed plane An-26, lying somewhere in the mine" Progress ". Warned same - not to fly in "our sky." And here is the video the confirmation of the next "ptichkopada." Birdie fell for waste heap, the residential sector is not caught. Peaceful people do not suffer. And also have information about the second downed aircraft, like the Su. "Possibly the rebels have missiles capable to reaching the 30000 ft cruising altitude of the plane. But that takes a launcher based missile, rather than a so called manpad. But claims that such a launcher was in use by the rebels have been posted.
It appears to be a case of a trigger happy operator for the Ukrainian resistant getting greedy after a couple of successful shootdowns of the Su-22.
I've heard unconfirmed reports that up to 24
Americans Australians were aboard the 777.
Update: A recorded and translated conversation in which Pro-Russian separatists discuss the downing. Thanks to @webradius.
Igor Bezler: We have just shot down a plane. Group Minera. It fell down beyond Yenakievo.Update: Its seems Vladimir's strategy was working pretty well, so long as nothing went terribly terribly wrong.
Vasili Geranin: Pilots. Where are the pilots?
IB: Gone to search for and photograph the plane. Its smoking.
VG: How many minutes ago?
IB: About 30 minutes ago.
SBU comment: After examining the site of the plane the terrorists come to the conclusion that they have shot down a civilian plane. The next part of the conversation took place about 40 minutes later.
“Major”: These are Chernukhin folks show down the plane. From the Chernukhin check point. Those cossacks who are based in Chernukhino.
“Grek”: Yes, Major.
"Major": The plane fell apart in the air. In the area of Petropavlovskaya mine. The first “200” (code word for dead person). We have found the first “200”. A Civilian.
“Greek”: Well, what do you have there?
“Major”: In short, it was 100 percent a passenger (civilian) aircraft.
“Greek”: Are many people there?
“Major”: Holy sh__t! The debris fell right into the yards (of homes).
“Greek”: What kind of aircraft?
“Major”: I haven’t ascertained this. I haven’t been to the main sight. I am only surveying the scene where the first bodies fell. There are the remains of internal brackets, seats and bodies.
“Greek”: Is there anything left of the weapon?
“Major”: Absolutely nothing. Civilian items, medicinal stuff, towels, toilet paper.
“Greek”: Are there documents?
“Major”: Yes, of one Indonesian student. From a university in Thompson.
BREAKING: Reports: Vladimir Putin tells warring sides in Ukraine to lay down their arms, engage in talks.— The Associated Press (@AP) July 18, 2014